Posts by No Apologies

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I can't get a straight answer

by Glofishy in

can anyone tell me if the organization believes that when a married spouse is addicted to pornography, they are actually cheating?

i mean cheating in the sense that the "innocent" spouse can then declare that they are victims of adultery, and be free to marry again?

i looked around their website and found nothing that specifically stated that it is considered cheating.

Has anyone else heard of a recent adjustment, where someone viewing Pornography *on the Internet* has automatically disassociated themselves? This is only internet porn, not videos, magazines, braille, morse code, interpretive dance.. ok sorry about that, I am getting off track... Anyway the rationalization I heard was that somehow viewing porn online was a "public" thing, somehow everyone would know you were viewing this or that site. Which makes no sense at all. I'm fairly certain the kid at the movie knows which customers like to rent the movies from the little room in the back, the guy at the book store has his regular customers, if anything the internet is more anonymous, not less.

I think the real reason for this is to further demonize the Net to the R&F. If young brother zealous is afraid to look for porn online, he sure isn't going to be looking for apostate sites.

Anyway, has anyone else heard of this? It was from a KM school 2-3 years ago, I believe.

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They are Sooooooooo Over-rated !!

by ScoobySnax in

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ever listened to someone who goes on and on about someone or something (and i don't mean jehovah's witnesses here!

) like they were the best thing since sliced bread.....and try as you might you just can't see the attraction?.

my brother-in law must have every sodding elvis record/picture/memorabilia thing going, and he goes on and on about him.

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Some of you have obviously never read The Lord of the Rings. While I have to agree the movies may have been overrated and hyped to death, the original material is probably the 20th century's greatest piece of fiction(unless you include OJ's hunt for the real killer).

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They are Sooooooooo Over-rated !!

by ScoobySnax in

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ever listened to someone who goes on and on about someone or something (and i don't mean jehovah's witnesses here!

) like they were the best thing since sliced bread.....and try as you might you just can't see the attraction?.

my brother-in law must have every sodding elvis record/picture/memorabilia thing going, and he goes on and on about him.

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Marilyn Monroe was a beautiful girl whose natural way was exploited by powerful people in Hollywood and the American political scene. When she became a perceived threat, she was murdered. She will always represent, quintessentially, how evil can destroy innocence.

Rigghhtt.... Who exactly was so innocent about her? Who would ever perceive her as a threat worth murdering?

And to keep on topic: Christina Aguilera, Britney Spears, Oprah Winfrey, Sarah Jessica Parker, and the NFL.

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I can't get a straight answer

by Glofishy in

can anyone tell me if the organization believes that when a married spouse is addicted to pornography, they are actually cheating?

i mean cheating in the sense that the "innocent" spouse can then declare that they are victims of adultery, and be free to marry again?

i looked around their website and found nothing that specifically stated that it is considered cheating.

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Eh if you kept looking at porn sooner or later wouldn't they just nail you for being unrepentant...

That still does not give the mate grounds for divorce.

The WTS considers "fornication" or "adultry" to be a reproductive act. Therefore any act which cannot produce a child is not fornication or adultery.

Also incorrect. Bestiality and things like oral and anal sex between unmarried individuals are considered fornication.

I believe fornication or porneia is currently defined has to include the "improper" use of at least one set of genitalia and two individuals/bodies. Thus an individual masturbating doesn't count, adultery does count, bestiality counts, etc. Phone sex seems to be a stretch, but I think did see somewhere that that would be considered porneia.

Hope this helps

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To The State Of Minnesota, Thank You.

by ColdRedRain in

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12 years ago, our family had a tragedy.

my cousin (who i will .

call levi) developed a rare case of lukemia .

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Frozen One, welcome to the board! We have a small but growing contingent of recovering JW's here in the godforsaken northern wasteland that is Minnesota(sorry, its just been so very nasty cold here the last few days).

Scootergirl is not far from you, and if you ever get to the Twin Cities just say the word and we can grab a cup of coffee somewheres.

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p.s. didn't mean to hijack your thread CRR, thats a great story, glad to hear your cousin is still around.

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An End To The Quick-Build KH?

by Englishman in

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i've just been talking with a recently departed dub elder.

he tells me that the wtbts are becoming very wary of lending money for kh "quick-builds".

he says that, in the uk at least, there are brothers who act as building inspectors who have been appointed by the society to make sure that any new kh being built comes up to certain minimum standards before the society will part with any mortgaged money.. this, he says, has brought to an end the era of the quickie partly pre-fabricated kingdom hall, so beloved of the local news conscious dubbies.

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In this area, they are inspected each step of the way by non-JW government employees.

I heard a good story straight from the elder's mouth a couple years ago. Seems there was a lot of local opposition to a new Kingdom Hall being built in a very Catholic community in central Minnesota. In order to 'expedite' the process, the brothers ended up slipping the inspector some $$$ to approve their permits. I was surprised to hear such a thing would be done( I know, I am quite naive), but even more surprised that this elder was bragging about it.

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Non internet infor on UN scandal..please!

by Gill in

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i am a fortunate 'apostate'.

my parents are still speaking to me, regularly, and we also have been discussing jw doctrine.

however, they do not believe anything i tell them about the un scandal and that the wtbts was a member of the un for ten years before being removed by the un.

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You could always do what I did, find the nearest UN Depository library at http://www.un.org/Depts/dhl/deplib/index.html, then go there and find a copy of the DPI-NGO member directory printed between 1991 and 2001 and see the Watchtower Society listed there alongside dozens of other groups, many of them religious in nature. Make a few photocopies of the relevant pages, and share with the family.

The UN NGO is explained away easily by the elders.

Yes they have their ~~story~~ explanation straight now. The rules have changed since the WT joined. Sounds good, too bad they have absolutely no proof to back this up. And it still doesn't explain why they fulfilled their end of the agreement by printing dozens of articles in Awake! during the 90's...

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New OM Book replacement & Upcoming Elder School

by doinmypart in

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the organized to accomplish our ministry (om book) will be replaced on sunday march 20, 2005 with a book titled organized to do jehovah's will.

this is confidential, so be sure to tell your relatives and friends that are still in!

will there be any updates to the org's procedures, or just a re-hash of old policies?

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As I recall, the old OM book was also released at a Sunday meeting. I knew about it in advance because I was the literature drone at the time. Did I feel special or what!

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